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PostSubject: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Mon May 02, 2011 4:57 am

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I'm twenty one, finishing a B.A. in Psychology at the University of Saskatchewan. I'll be applying to law school in the fall. I've been using Blurrypron as a diversion since finals, having nothing to do after three weeks of actually studying is a bit of a harsh reversion.
I'm fairly well-versed in the Gundam metaseries, and far more knowledgable about Star Wars than is safe or healthy.
Getting to know people is always so much more interesting when you have contrasting points of view, so let's start with a debate directed toward... the Forum Admin? Of course it's also open to anyone willing to argue one side or the other.

As per the title, I feel it's my civic responsibility to contend that Treize Khushrenada is a much more interesting character than The Red Comet ever was. Response?

As an aside, shall we decide on rules and a formal structure for this, or allow it to descend to something akin to:
"A is better!"
"No, B!"
"You're a moron!"
"Eat a big bag of dicks!"


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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Mon May 02, 2011 6:11 pm

Char is a FAR more interesting and badass character. Treize was a pussy who couldn't get anything done on his own and couldn't even pilot the Epyon worth a damn so he gave it to Zechs, a Char clone.

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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Mon May 02, 2011 6:12 pm

Also, welcome to the forums, good to see a fellow Saskatchewanite here! May I ask how you found us? haha!

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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Mon May 02, 2011 8:29 pm

EAT A BAG OF DICKS!


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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Mon May 02, 2011 9:42 pm

Mike wrote:
EAT A BAG OF DICKS!

Who?

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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Wed May 04, 2011 10:03 am

Fact: Treize trained Zechs at the Lake Victoria base, as detailed in Episode Zero. As a pilot, he was comparable if not superior to Zechs and the Gundam Pilots. As most fans suspected, and was confirmed in the new seriel novel Frozen Teardrop, he wasn't defeated by Wufei, he allowed himself to be killed. It's also important to note that prior to that he held off the vastly superior, newly upgraded Altron Gundam (and a metric shit ton of Virgo IIs) with a repainted Tallgeese. That thing that Zechs lost against mobile dolls Tauruses in. Also in that novel, it was retconned that Heero Yuy was enhanced through some sort of gene therapy to be superior to a normal human, the AC's version of a Coordinator. That leaves Treize as either the best or the second best (after Zechs) human pilot in the AC. As for being a pussy who couldn't get anything done on his own, he orchestrated the coup d'etat that made him the ruler of the entire world, personally designed the Epyon, and fought for and demonstrated honor in a world that had all but forgotten the concept.

Char was a traitorous dick who hid from the world for, what, seven years between the original series (wherein he backstabbed his best friend, a young man who bore the surname but not the temperment nor the responsibility for his parents' murder) and Zeta, and another six between Zeta and CC? During that first stretch he refused repeatedly to resume his name and the responsibilities it would carry until an annoyingly emo bitch (Kamille, god I hated him) convinced him that doing so was absolutely necessary to ensure a future for spacenoids. And then he disappeared for another six years before returning to attempt to kill an entire planet. And failing. At least Treize' final stand was successful despite his death.

I personally think that Char's only legendary within the series' lore because so many of the characters from the early UC protagonists were so goddamned bad. I mean, Kamille? Fuck. The guy had no motivation for punching the Titans pilot (Oh no, he made fun of your name, get the fuck over it) or stealing the Gundam MK II (Really. You're mad at mommy and daddy and the mean old Titans pilot, so you steal a multi-billion dollar piece of military equipment? Someone never learned fucking boundaries.) Granted, he could do impressive things with his (highly customized) grunt suits, but Zechs and Heero, the only two characters from Wing who rivalled Treize' abilities, were both able to achieve incredible results with unmodified grunt suits (Zechs fought Heero's Wing Gundam to a stalemate in the first episode while freefalling with a Leo, a suit not designed for arial manuevering, and Heero fought multiple Virgo IIs, Serpents, and even the Heavyarms Kai Custom, also in a Leo). Treize also was briefly shown schooling early versions of the Mobile Dolls, described as superior to normal pilots, with a Leo. It should also be noted that these same early Mobile Dolls gave the gundam pilots a run for their money shortly after, and defeated Duo resulting in the destruction of the Deathscythe.

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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Thu May 05, 2011 12:04 am

wing was crap everything was overpowered or exadurated. i think char is a way better character because every series has a character based off him cant say the same for treize
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PostSubject: Re: Treize Khushrenada > Char Aznable   Sat May 07, 2011 1:02 am

I am currently under the influence so you MAY want to disregard this arguement BUT..
Char didn't flea like a pussy he went to Axis where all the other remaining besides like the Delaz Fleet ended up retreating to. Which is where he met Haman Kahn who's family was left in charge of Mineva Zabi who is a bay bay at the time. Anyways he ends up back at the Earth Sphere on a mission to spy on the Earth sphere then gets caught up in the feud between the Titans and the AEUG. Knowing that if the true vision of Zeon were ever to be successful the Titans could not exist he of course sided with the Titans.

Also Char didn't kill the Zabis just for the lulz he killed them because they murdered his family and wiped their asses with his ideals. He pretty much single-handedly took down the most powerful family of his time.

Also he took down five Magellan Class battleships using a freaking Zaku in the battle of Loum which was a HUGE turning point in favour of the Zeons in the war. That was like taking on 5 tanks with a motorcycle...

Also what Phat said about Char influencing pretty much every Gundam villain or half villain since the original series is a good point as well. I can't think off the top of my head of any character that was strongly influenced by Treize's character. I'm not saying Treize was a shitty character, but they could've done so much more with him and he started being awesome until he just gave away the freaking Epyon.

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